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Catamarans, Questions & Answers-a short course The questions...If you don't want to scroll through all of the questions, just click on the specific question you're interested in.
Things
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What's wrong with this picture?What's missing is the bridge deck
clearance! For Power Cats, Go HereGood Cat, Bad Cat! What do I mean by that? I don't mean a boat is bad quality, or doesn't sail well. What I'm talking about here is what makes a catamaran well suited for long distance cruising with a good sized load aboard. What makes a boat suitable for extended stays aboard.This page was put together from interviews with builders, designers, delivery captains, owners, charterers and from our own personal experiences delivering boats up and down the E.Coast, offshore and vacations aboard with both experienced and inexperienced catamaran sailors. It's both practical and technical. The information is not intended to support any particular product, though we obviously have chosen Fountaine Pajot because we believe it is a good example of our discoveries. Many people get referred to this page by other dealers and owners. Let's take a look...Please read all of this web page-there's some really great stuff at the end-don't short change yourself!
Why it matters...
A note about cost... Start with it's not such an easy
comparison. But let's take a shot. The graphs support the idea that
catamarans cost more per foot, but about the same as monohulls when you
look at "cost/cu. ft." This seems to be born out in our experience--I can
tell you that you definitely get more volume in a given size catamaran.
Some people say you can buy a smaller catamaran to get the same space as a monohull you are looking at and in that case the costs get comparable. In addition, don't forget, in a Cat the loads are higher, due to the enormous stability (creating a need for next size larger hardware) and much of the equipment, such as engines, are replicated so you simply have more expense. Look at the graphs to get some idea of what I'm talking about. What are you doing for the rest of your life?
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1.OverviewLooking at what's
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| Good Cat | Bad Cat |
Good Cat, left...
Long
overhangs fore and aft. Accommodations concentrated in center of boat (weight kept out of
the ends). Beam/Length ratio 58%, Static stability about 55 knots.
Bad Cat, right...
Short
overhangs. Solid decking forward. (Heavy, and doesn't let the water through--can trip in
large ocean wave, surfing situations.) Accommodations spread into the ends. Beam length
ratio of 46% or less, Static stability about 23 knots.
4. Bridge deck
clearance...
A good cat,
left, has a higher bridge deck clearance, with no protuberances interrupting the water
flow. The wider beam between the hulls also contributes to uninhibited water flow between
the hulls.
Note the difference
for the bad cat on the right. We have heard this as one of the biggest negatives
from owner's who owned boats like those on the right. This is also one of the biggest
reasons for them selling. (This style is typical of many of the older generation of boats,
and also some new ones where marketing types take over from the designers).
Why not too much beam? Have you ever observed the wake coming off the bows of a boat?
(Actually if you watch a power boat, the effect of a heavier boat at higher speed
exaggerates the effect I'm talking about.) The wave curves up and away at an angle about
150 degrees back from the bow. If you measured diagonally outwards from the bow, you would
see that the wave increases in height as it curves away from the bow. Keep this in mind.
Now, imagine an older design catamaran with narrower hulls (The waterline
beam of each hull being narrow.) The hulls don't have the
buoyancy to give the stability that comes from buoyancy (see above) so the designer is
forced to gain stability the only way he can--he increases the overall beam. The trade
off? Several and all bad:
Why would anyone design a boat this way? The answer is that today they probably
wouldn't. However some charter companies or marketing companies trying to take advantage
of today's catamaran popularity, and wanting to keep costs down choose older designs whose
tooling cost is already amortized (or choose inexperienced designers) primarily to reduce
the cost of the boat. The problem is that a bad design will always be a bad design and the
cost will long be forgotten while the discomfort will linger...
Remember, charter companies ask designers for parameters suitable for people staying
on-board for short times and equipment (load carrying capacity) needs are minimal for
these short times. These boats, typically only need to sail in a 50 mile circle.
Whether you're looking to use our investment program to pay your boat off early, or
getting it for some serious cruising we take the long view. We represent up to date
designs that feature boats with the load carrying ability you need for care free, serious
cruising (This is my only advertising plug in this piece, but I feel I've given you enough
information to earn the right.)
5. Load Carrying
capacity...
Some dead giveaways. At a boat show, look at the lower transom step--especially when there are a number of people in the cockpit-- is the step awash (actually underwater?) Not enough load carrying. Is the waterline at the water (or below it) at either end or entirely? Not enough load carrying. Sure, you can move it up, but believe me, that doesn't solve the problem!
NOTE: We had the Fountaine Pajot Salina 48 above, recently at a Blue Angels exhibition in Annapolis. over 50 people, full tanks, full equipment and catering for 50 aboard. Note, the waterlines on both sides are still well above water! A good cat! P.S. note Blue Angels in back round. Maybe next time you'll be there!?
Summary...
safety, (and ultimately resale value) are dependent on proper
design.
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Click here.Here are some ideas that are so bad, they get special mention... What a noted surveyor has to say
about a typical South African Catamaran. The question is
does proper bridge deck clearance matter... A flybridge deck arrangement--what's wrong with that?
"Maybe we should just get rid of that pesky mast and rig, and just let her be what she seems to want to be--a power boat with a flybridge!" |
The Bottom line...
I hope that these ideas have
helped you to have a better understanding. Nothing beats getting out and
experiencing the sailing first hand, and that's why we offer such a large
selection in our charter fleet. If you're just out for a vacation, try one.
If you're thinking of owning, our Try-Before-You-Buy program provides you an
opportunity to sail for up to 3 days for free if you later decide to
purchase. In either case, our club program provides equity towards the
purchase when you use it to charter from our participating fleets.
A well sailed cat can make an excellent choice for a live-aboard or serious
cruiser if you choose wisely and keep the ideas presented here in mind.
Feature: Dagger boards
Positive: At reasonable speeds with water flowing over the foil, you may achieve higher pointing ability in a relative narrow steering groove.
What’s wrong with that?
· Recently, a world cruising client said that, " ...(he) had talked to owners with dagger boards in several ports, and they all said that they tended to keep the board all the way down almost all of the time. When they tried to get them up, they were stuck because of the barnacles that had formed around the boards and inside the trunk where it's difficult to bottom paint, one, and difficult to clean, two. The result is that they got most of the disadvantages and none of the advantages.
· Vulnerability: The dagger board is easily broken by grounding, or floating debris. On grounding, with the board up, it’s subject to small stones or shells jamming the board requiring hauling or major diving correction. Anything done to make the center bottom of the hull increase in lateral resistance (making it deeper to protect the rudder and prop) takes away from maneuverability (The boat becomes more like a long keep monohull.) In addition, assuming the rudder and drive are theoretically protected by making the hull deeper is done by adding rocker to the hull. Just as the name implies, if you try to set the boat on it’s bottom it will rock back and can still damage these aft appendages, not to mention jam debris up the dagger board trunk.
· The lateral plane with a dagger board is generally about ½-2/3 less less. At low speeds, with cross winds, with the boards up or down there is little lateral plane and the boat will tend to blow sideways making it very difficult to control.
· FINALLY: While the dagger board theoretically increase upwind performance slightly, the reality is that a thin foil stalls out very easily compared to the thicker foil of a typical shoal keel. Once stalled, the performance is worse. An inattentive helmsman, or an autopilot will probably, on average, under typical cruising (somewhat laid back) cruising conditions, actually experience worse, not better performance from dagger boards. If you’re racing and the race committee enjoys setting up a large proportion of windward courses, and you have 3-4 helmsmen who enjoy steering as you change helmsmen every hour—you may realize an advantage. If not, enjoy your much easier to handle shoal draft boat.
This is not to say that boats like the
Fountaine Pajot aren’t good performing boats. When you consider a cruising
boat, fully loaded and short handed, (not a racing crew) they do well. In
a recent Arians Cup sponsored by the European Space industry, there were
over 100 cruising cats entered. The race was won by a Bahia 46. Second
place was an Athena
38. In fact 8 of the top 15 places were taken by FP.
Feature: Aft, steering stations.
Positive: You may have slightly better visibility on one side or the other while going to windward.
What’s wrong with that?
· If you’re running a crewed boat and you have a captain who you don’t mind being out of the social activities and out in the weather outside the Bimini—fine. Otherwise the more protected steering station with visibility to all 4 corners of the boat makes more sense.
· Today’s instruments are interactive. With aft wheels, you either have to duplicate everything, or put them central somewhere where they’re harder to see, and even harder to reach. Having everything centrally located at one steering station makes sense.
· With a catamaran, we find that the boat is on autopilot a majority of the time. With a remote on the autopilot, you can sit virtually anywhere you want and steer the boat. (The latest remotes have a screen which duplicates any read-out you want to see from depth, to position.) That being the case, you might as well enjoy a protected steering station and have the ability to sit where ever you want otherwise.
· Recently, a world cruising client said that, "...(he) had met the plant manager of a popular model that comes only with twin aft wheels. The manager was having a one of their models customized for himself. The primary change? He got rid of the aft wheel, and put a single wheel against the forward, cockpit bulkhead!" Enough said.
Feature: Cabin top with molded in, sloped windows
Positive: Some people like the look.
What’s wrong with that?
Everyone hates the heat build up in the main saloon. A boat with more vertical shielded windows enjoys a 10 degree temperature advantage when the sun is high. It also protects the interior from fading and sun exposure.
With the Greenhouse style windows you let the heat and light in and typically end up coving the windows most of the time, defeating one of the main advantages of cats—an open, airy main saloon with 360 degree visibility!
Feature: Aero rig
Positive: Easy to single hand and handle
What’s wrong with that?
A catamaran places huge loads on the hull. Much larger than is placed on a monohull because of the tremendous inherent stability. With a monohull, for instance, when a puff hits, the hull leans over relieving some of the loads. With a catamaran, all of the loads are not only transferred to the hull, they come as a shock load with an enormous initial impact.
Feature: Electric Power
Positive: Green?
What’s wrong with that?
Electric power. Is it here yet? Well, as you know, it's not even here in automobiles yet, so how can we expect it here in this much harsher and more challenging environment?
What we've seen in practice, is that there has been an evolution where the props have gotten bigger and bigger in order to generate sufficient power to meaningfully recharge the batteries when sailing. This results in a serious loss of performance when sailing--much more than the advocates say--often something on the order of a loss of 2-3 knots!
Because of this reality, the generators have gotten bigger and bigger until they now rival the size of the main engine.
What you end up with is that you:
1. Lose the safety/redundancy of having two complete power systems
2. The battery bank and generator end up occupying a huge space and are very heavy--makes it difficult to place everything ideally.
3. The complicated and sophisticated electronic management package and software are vulnerable in the harsh marine environment and where on earth are you going to get this stuff serviced when you're cruising off the beaten path--let alone at your favorite marina?
4. Finally, at the recent Miami boat show I was talking with my friend Franck Bauguil, sales manager at Moorings, and he said, "We're going very slowly with lots of testing. We're relying more on the generator and smaller, more normal props. But, what no one's talking about is, "what are we going to do with all those batteries once we have to replace them all? We already have a huge problem just disposing of the normal batteries in an environmentally responsible way--I just don't see any easy solutions on the horizon--even if we solved all of the other issues."
Feature: Narrow and or asymmetrical hulls.
Positive: Slightly better performance when kept light.
What’s wrong with that?
Today’s modern voyager is not going sailing light. Once you add the water, fuel, amenities and the kitchen sink—that narrower hull will be sunk below it’s waterline and will probably have less performance and, as important less maneuverability (the extra lateral plane created resists turning at slow speeds making for difficult maneuvering.
Look at load carrying first and examine what you’re planning to put aboard. If that includes Generator, A/C, and other amenities, you better make sure you have sufficient load carrying ability. Better check with the designer.
Want a short cut test? On a boat about 38’ or over, the double berths ought to fit inside the hulls and not need to be up high (where they’re hot, also) over the bridge deck because the hulls are too narrow. Check it out!!! A second test? When loaded, we recently sailed a FP 46 with full tanks, Gen and A/C and all the amenities with 15 guests. At 10 knots, neither stern was underwater! Look at pictures or go out on the boat and see if this holds true for the boat you’re considering. Look at our new boat web page www.bayacht.com/new.htm and click on each of our boats to find out the load carrying
In countless cruising races where a variety of boats fun race in a fully loaded condition, boats with normal catamaran keels, and full hulls with great load carrying ability--win! The Fountaine Pajot range is a good example and has done extraordinarily well in these kinds of contests.
Another thing you should know when you hear about performance variations--especially when people have seen the performance of charter boats: Catamarans are extremely sensitive to bottom fouling. Even a slight bit of slime can appreciably degrade performance, and I've seen boats with quite a lot of slime and a little moss lose 30-40% of their performance, and totally lose the ability to tack without using their engine! Perhaps this is why you hear such wild claims and divergent results. Be sure everyone's comparing apples with apples. When you hear these statements, perhaps a good question is: "Do you know for a fact, that the bottoms of both boats in question had absolutely clean bottoms?" Without the answer to this question, relative comparisons are meaningless--yet gleefully offered by those protecting their own prejudices.
More information: Eric Smith 410-263-2311 esmith@bayacht.com
Professional
Testimonial...
A delivery captain's opinion:
From delivery captain, D.L., MSc who on Sept. 13th, 2006 completed the trans-Atlantic delivery of a Fountaine Pajot 43, Belize: "Compared to other catamarans that I have delivered, and especially compared to the Lagoon line, the Fountaine-Pajot Belize 43 is more responsive, points better and is much quicker to accelerate. The forward steering station is much preferred (over catamarans with aft steering) and the Fountaine Pajot station is much easier to work from than that on the Lagoon. I encountered very, very heavy (25') seas during this trip and nothing has broken and no stress cracks were seen--that has not been the case on other catamaran deliveries. Also, on the Lagoon, they seem to glue all the pieces together, like some of the mass produced monohulls, and so when we did need to get access to components it was very difficult. On the Fountaine Pajot, we checked this and even though we didn't have to get to anything, it would have been very much easier. I used to be prejudiced against catamarans and preferred monohull deliveries but, after the Fountaine Pajot delivery-I have definitely been converted! " D.L.

A better solution. Fountaine Pajot creates a (slightly) raised control cockpit with easy access to the cockpit down just 2 steps. See them here.
What’s wrong with that?
In some designs, there is no good communication with the cockpit and the helmsman is almost totally isolated from his guests.
There may be no real sun or rain protection. Some rigs put the boom so high you need a ladder to climb the mast, and then must shinny out onto the boom to unsnarl a line, or even tuck in the sail to the cover. How do you get up on that boom if a reef line or something gets snarled on the boom--get a ladder? If you go "downstairs" to share a cocktail with friends in the cockpit (with sun protection) not only can't you see anything, if you need to quickly avert something, you have to run upstairs to regain control.
A better thought out
design, like the new FP44 or 48' still offers a hard top, but gives
access to the control station from the cockpit as well as from on deck.
There's a flip up bimini for sun/rain
protection. All the controls are
led here for single handing. The skipper can see down to and communicate
with those in the cockpit. The boom is low and it's easy to reach
everything
Who needs to plan their trip down the side decks to get back to the cockpit? Two levels means you have to watch where you step, instead of just meandering down the deck. (Maybe we should just get rid of that pesky mast and rig, and just let her be what she seems to want to be--a power boat with a flybridge!)
A problem and a solution. Any forward steering station, especially a raised one, is going to have visibility problems on one tack upwind and the opposite tack downwind. Communication to those who can see forward from the cockpit helps. But for the self reliant a combination of windows in the headsail (a common solution in racing boats--already well worked out) and/or a forward looking camera that is interfaced with your chart plotter offer a sensible solution.
I think we're going to see an awful lot of these on the resale market once people actually spend time on them--hope you're not the one trying to sell in a decaying market. Fads just don't work. There's a reason no one else is doing this and that this hasn't been done before--looks great at a boat show, but wouldn't want to live there!
NOTE: Want proof? What happened to the Aero rig (see above). Hint-company that promoted this is out of business. What happened to Asymmetrical hulls with dagger boards? Company that promoted this went bankrupt and has changed ownership several times. What happened to boats with electric engines? The generators got bigger and bigger, the battery banks heavier and heavier, the props bigger and bigger until they slowed to a crawl under sail and still had a relatively short range under power. What happened to the original company that promoted them? Gone. See what you can find now. The ultimate anti-green? What will you do to dispose of all those batteries? Where do you get service for the complicated, sensitive electonic controls? Where do you get service in out of the way ports and marinas (Or even in normal marinas? Anyone can service a diesel engine!) It's easy to jump on this band wagon, but the idea is not yet ready for prime time.
Sophisticated, experienced Builders have the edge.
In today's world the larger manufacturers who have the capability of using modern practices incorporating infusion and injection molding have a clear edge.
Companies like Fountaine Pajot are able to take weight and man hours out of the boat.
Using aircraft like techniques, ends up giving stronger lighter parts. In the Fountaine Pajot 44 and 48, for instance, these new techniques result in a weight savings in the deck alone, of over 1,000 pounds, while offering a more attractive finish on both sides of the finished deck. This translates directly into increasing performance and load carrying capacity. Instead of carrying around needless weight, you can carry more stores, water and other essentials for cruising.
What’s better...
A foam core hull, using injection or infusion molding techniques to insure the strongest, lightest structure possible.
It takes experience to get this right. You don't want to use foam that is too stiff, or you get back to the same impact resistance problem. Fountaine Pajot uses a foam and engineers the design so that the resulting structure is more forgiving. If you should impact a piling, or anything else, the hull will take advantage of fibreglasses unique ability to flex without deforming--and then return to its original shape. In the event of a really severe impact, instead of the damage being transmitted to the inner laminate (like with balsa core) the damage will occur to the outer skin where it can be readily seen and repaired. And, as a bonus, any water that might get in, will not do core damage like with wood.
Experienced builders of cruising cats create modern designs that are light, strong AND forgiving!
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